Step 6: How to Decide– S Corporation or LLC?

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It seems that a few people read my last Step 5 about Deciding whether you needed a “Limited Liability Business” as a discussion of LLCs (limited liability companies).  As a primary business, in many cases, I don’t think that the LLC is the best way to go.  In other cases, it is.  Let’s look at the differences…

 

There are two major types of limited liability business… the Corporation and the LLC.  For most small businesses, you are going to be choosing between these two.  Specifically, for most small businesses the choice is between an S Corporation (which is just a regular corporation with one extra form filed one time) and an LLC.

 

It is Mainly a Tax Decision

 

I believe that this decision is primarily about potential tax savings. The information below may not be accurate for all states and situations, you need to figure this out yourself or with the help of your accountant and attorney if you don’t know what to do.  I am going to greatly simplify this decision below as it applies to many small one or two owner businesses…

 

The biggest drawback with an LLC is that, as an owner, you have to pay payroll taxes on all of the corporate profits, not just on salaries and wages.  This can be a significant amount of additional taxes that you pay with an LLC and was the main reason I went with the S corp.

 

Let’s look at an example to clarify this.  If we assume that the business is generating $200,000 in total income and total deductible business expenses of $100,000 then the net profit is $100,000.  With an LLC, you will report this as personal income and be required to pay payroll taxes on this entire amount.  

 

How Much Are Payroll Taxes?

 

Payroll taxes are the taxes that are paid on salaries to fund the government Social Security and Medicare programs.  The employee pays a certain amount towards each and the employer is required to match that same amount.  When you own your own business, you pay both parts, so it is double what you are used to seeing on a paystub. 

 

In 2008, the payroll tax calculation is 15.3% of the first $102,000 plus 2.9% of everything over $102,000.  The $102.000 number increases every year and in 2009 it will be $106,800. 

 

Going back to our example of $100,000 profits, the owner of the LLC would be required to pay $15,300 in payroll taxes on that $100,000. 

 

S Corporation Payroll Tax Savings?

 

So, an LLC generating $100k profits you pay $15,300 in payroll taxes.  How about an S Corp?  With an S Corp, you can pay the owners a reasonable salary for the job that they do.  And you pay the payroll taxes on this salary.  The rest of the profits are considered the income generated by the fact that you took the risk and invested the money to start the corporation and you pay income tax on this money but not payroll taxes. 

 

If we assume that you determine that a reasonable salary is $55,000 for your job then you will pay $4207.50 in payroll taxes, the corporation will also pay $4207.50 in payroll taxes for a total of $8,415 in total payroll taxes.

 

Remember that the LLC owner paid $15,300 in Payroll taxes. 

 

So, the S corp in this example saves you $6,885 per year in payroll taxes.  Assuming that you are going to be in business for a while, this can add up.  In under 15 years this is $100,000 savings.  And the payroll taxes just keep going up…

 

With these tax savings, why would anyone start an LLC instead?  Well, one reason is that if you are already maxing out your payroll tax contributions at a regular job, or in another business, then these tax savings are greatly reduced.  Here are few other factors…

 

Limitations and Requirements of an S Corp…

 

There are a few limitations on S corps which might affect some people:

 

      Can’t have more than 100 shareholders

      Can’t have foreign owners

      Can’t be owned by other corporations or LLCs

      S corp profits need to be distributed according to the percentage of ownership

 

And, S corporations require the owners to follow a bit more corporate formality… to “follow the corporate rules”.

 

It is not too big of a deal, once you understand the rules and have an easy to use system in place to stay ahead of the game.

 

My simple Corporate Veil Pro package is a Clear, Concise, Step-by-Step program to assist small business owners to know what to do and when to do it with regards to their corporate record keeping requirements.

 

Disclaimer: This is not intended as legal advice, just my understanding.  You need to research it yourself and get professional help before proceeding.  Life Tip: Don’t believe anything you read on a blog on the Internet unless you have checked it yourself.

 

 

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16 Comments

  1. DIY LawyerNo Gravatar (23 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @8:09 am

    Great Post Rob,

    This is a question I get daily.

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    Rob NorthrupNo Gravatar (84 comments) Reply:

    Hey DIY Lawyer,

    Did I miss any really important points here that need to be addressed?

    Rob

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    Robert KauferNo Gravatar (24 comments) Reply:

    I will look at it again and drill down a bit more and send comments off line

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  2. Steve ChambersNo Gravatar (103 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @9:07 am

    This was a decision I struggled with greatly before deciding to become an S Corp. Great post.

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  3. kevinNo Gravatar (7 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @10:47 am
  4. Susan (13 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @11:13 am

    Can you change from an LLC to an S Corp if you feel at some point that you made an error in judgement?

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    Rob NorthrupNo Gravatar (84 comments) Reply:

    It isn’t possible as far as I know to change. You just need to close the LLC and start a Corporation. Step 7 tomorrow is going to explain the steps to start a Corporation. Dissolving an LLC is not too difficult, talk to your Accountant first.

    Rob

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  5. Matthew ShieldsNo Gravatar (36 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @11:35 am

    Hi , Rob
    The big deciding factor… to LLC or to S corp…Thanks for breaking it down in such an easy to understand Way
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  6. Jennifer BattaglinoNo Gravatar (25 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @11:37 am

    Rob
    Great post and it explains it better than I have heard in the past. So many times we make decisions based on what some one tells us what to do without the knowledge ourselves.
    Thanks
    Jennifer Battaglino

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  7. angelaNo Gravatar (13 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @11:44 am

    good explanation, it cleared a few questions i had about the difference between llc’s and s corps.
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  8. Michael RothNo Gravatar (24 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @12:36 pm

    great post! thought provoking thanks

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  9. LenaNo Gravatar (39 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @3:28 pm

    It’s seems like it’s a good idea S corp.,I always tought LLC is more safe as it doesn’t involve personal belongings if things go wrong.That’s the reason why people who do it for the first time choose LLC.A good q-n was asked,can you switch from LLC to S corp?
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    Rob NorthrupNo Gravatar (84 comments) Reply:

    Lena

    Both the corporation and the LLC protect personal assets if the proper things are done…

    re LLC->S Corp conversion, see answer above… you can’t change the LLC right into an S Corp but you can accomplish the same thing pretty easily…
    Rob

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  10. Cindy EyansonNo Gravatar (36 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @4:36 pm

    Wow! I did not know that. I always thought the LLC was the best route tax and protection wise. GREAT post!
    Thank you!
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  11. Intuitive JohnNo Gravatar (31 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @5:29 pm

    This was very clear and easy to understand. Hard numbers work for me.

    And you cleared up something for me…i considered an LLC and S corp the same. No longer.

    Intuitive John

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  12. John HoNo Gravatar (86 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @5:48 pm

    I suppose the difference between US & Australia’s business law is big enough for me to excuse myself reading this post in details.

    But for those who’re in USA, go for it & use what you can learn here.

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    Rob NorthrupNo Gravatar (84 comments) Reply:

    John,

    If I’m gonna read about Numerology you aren’t excused from reading about American corporate law…

    :-)

    Rob

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  13. David J. ParnellNo Gravatar (38 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @7:18 pm

    Rob, we did indeed make our decision based on what our accountant told us….

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    Rob NorthrupNo Gravatar (84 comments) Reply:

    David, that’s good that you talked to an accountant. They must have had a reason. maybe there is something about your situation that suits an LLC, or maybe it is a state issue… what state are you in? having to pay payroll taxes on all profits would have cost us quite a bit over the past ten years and we pay relatively high salaries to make sure we don’t get in trouble. If we wanted to be more aggressive we could, but I prefer to be safe.

    Rob

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  14. Jennifer SkinnerNo Gravatar (42 comments)  •  Oct 31, 2008 @8:02 pm

    Rob,
    You had me convinced a long ways back that an S-Corp is the way to go. Thanks for the clear description of the differences.
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  15. Lisa McLellanNo Gravatar (90 comments)  •  Nov 1, 2008 @12:00 am

    If you say S-corp is the way to go, I’ll take your word on it!

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  16. Scott BellNo Gravatar (1 comments)  •  Nov 1, 2008 @11:16 am

    Rob,
    You make things so clear and simple. Do you have n affiliate program set up for your product?

    Scott

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    Rob NorthrupNo Gravatar (84 comments) Reply:

    Scott, I sent you info to sign up as an affiliate. Thanks for asking.
    Rob

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