How to Pay the Lowest Amount of Taxes… part 2 [Payroll Taxes]

Cover Your Assets, Taxation & Business
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Morning All…

 

There are two major types of limited liability business… the Corporation and the LLC.  For most small businesses, you are going to be choosing between these two.  Specifically, for most small businesses the choice is between an S Corporation (which is just a regular corporation with one extra form filed one time) and an LLC.

 

It is Mainly a Tax Decision

 

I believe that this decision is primarily about potential tax savings. The information below may not be accurate for all states and situations, you need to figure this out yourself or with the help of your accountant and attorney if you don’t know what to do.  I am going to greatly simplify this decision below as it applies to many small one or two owner businesses…

 

The biggest drawback with an LLC is that, as an owner, you have to pay payroll taxes on all of the corporate profits, not just on salaries and wages.  This can be a significant amount of additional taxes that you pay with an LLC and was the main reason I went with the S corp.

 

Let’s look at an example to clarify this.  If we assume that the business is generating $200,000 in total income and total deductible business expenses of $100,000 then the net profit is $100,000.  With an LLC, you will report this as personal income and be required to pay payroll taxes on this entire amount.  

 

How Much Are Payroll Taxes?

 

Payroll taxes are the taxes that are paid on salaries to fund the government Social Security and Medicare programs.  The employee pays a certain amount towards each and the employer is required to match that same amount.  When you own your own business, you pay both parts, so it is double what you are used to seeing on a paystub. 

 

In 2008, the payroll tax calculation is 15.3% of the first $102,000 plus 2.9% of everything over $102,000.  The $102.000 number increases every year and in 2009 it will be $106,800. 

 

Going back to our example of $100,000 profits, the owner of the LLC would be required to pay $15,300 in payroll taxes on that $100,000. 

 

S Corporation Payroll Tax Savings?

 

So, an LLC generating $100k profits you pay $15,300 in payroll taxes.  How about an S Corp?  With an S Corp, you can pay the owners a reasonable salary for the job that they do.  And you pay the payroll taxes on this salary.  The rest of the profits are considered the income generated by the fact that you took the risk and invested the money to start the corporation and you pay income tax on this money but not payroll taxes. 

 

If we assume that you determine that a reasonable salary is $55,000 for your job then you will pay $4207.50 in payroll taxes, the corporation will also pay $4207.50 in payroll taxes for a total of $8,415 in total payroll taxes.

 

Remember that the LLC owner paid $15,300 in Payroll taxes. 

 

So, the S corp in this example saves you $6,885 per year in payroll taxes.  Assuming that you are going to be in business for a while, this can add up.  In under 15 years this is $100,000 savings.  And the payroll taxes just keep going up…

 

With these tax savings, why would anyone start an LLC instead?  Well, one reason is that if you are already maxing out your payroll tax contributions at a regular job, or in another business, then these tax savings are greatly reduced.  Here are few other factors…

 

Limitations and Requirements of an S Corp…

 

There are a few limitations on S corps which might affect some people:

 

□      Can’t have more than 100 shareholders

□      Can’t have foreign owners

□      Can’t be owned by other corporations or LLCs

□      S corp profits need to be distributed according to the percentage of ownership

 

And, S corporations require the owners to follow a bit more corporate formality… to “follow the corporate rules”.

 

It is not too big of a deal, once you understand the rules and have an easy to use system in place to stay ahead of the game.

 

My simple Cover Your Assets package is a Clear, Concise, Step-by-Step program to assist small business owners to know what to do and when to do it with regards to their corporate record keeping requirements.

 

Have a great day,

 

Rob

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21 Comments

21 Comments

  1. Duane CunninghamNo Gravatar (51 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @6:17 am

    Hi Rob,

    Great information for those in business and need to decide between the best way to protect yourself and save tax! Like you said the differences add up enormously over the years and its better having your money in your pocket than the taxman’s!

    Duane

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  2. Bob KauferNo Gravatar (49 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @6:22 am

    Rob,

    Thanks for this post. This is a major factor in the decision between LLC and Corp. The only downfall for the corp route is the time and hassle to actually do payroll and send the fed and state the payroll tax and the fact that if you pay yourself a salary it can limit the amount of money you put into a retirement plan.

    Bob Kaufer
    If you MOVE like the Tin Man, you will THINK like the Scarecrow and FEEL like the Lion

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  3. Christian HallerNo Gravatar (48 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @6:24 am

    Great info for anyone starting a new business – LLC, S Corp., and SP. S Corp is definitely better taxes – but you also really need to have a trusted accountant to get the K-1s filed out right.

    Christian

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  4. JJ JalopyNo Gravatar (57 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @6:26 am

    Fantastic information here Rob.

    I have heard nothing but great things about Your Corporate Veil Pro program.

    Occasionally American clients will ask about the legal details of setting up their new limited liability businesses. Now I know an expert! Is this the best site to direct them to?

    Thanks Rob.

    JJ Jalopy
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  5. John HoNo Gravatar (86 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @7:28 am

    Pyaing the lowest amount of tax is always the quickest wasy to have yourhands on your hard earned money.

    Great tips here!

    John Ho
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  6. JC MacKenzieNo Gravatar (48 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @10:06 am

    Started me thinking, certainly. Not only for me and how I am impacted now but for the girls as well.

    Thanks

    JC JC

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  7. Lynn LaneNo Gravatar (57 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @12:51 pm

    Rob,

    That is very good information for folks to take away. I’m glad I used your program before I started Lane Resources Inc.

    Lynn Lane

    http://www.Warriorofsuccess.com

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  8. Jennifer BattaglinoNo Gravatar (25 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @1:51 pm

    I’m an s corp ands still not sure if i am doing the right thing… My accountant seemse to think so but there is no lawyer involved. You’re making me nervous!
    Which is a good thing. :-)

    Jennifer Battaglino

    The Harwood Center – Tinnitus, Chronic Illness, Fers, Phobias, and Anxiety

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  9. Sonya LenzoNo Gravatar (30 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @2:24 pm

    Good stuff on the difference between S Corp and LLC. You are a fount of information for the small business person!
    Sunny Marie
    http://www.sunnymarie.wordpress.com

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  10. Yann Vernier - ProfitsTactics.comNo Gravatar (38 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @3:59 pm

    I really enjoy your ability to simply explain the benefits and differences of the major types of corporations. This is very clear and practical information, as usual.

    All the best,
    Yann

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  11. Steve ChambersNo Gravatar (103 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @7:30 pm

    Having a corporation seems like a great idea for saving taxes. It will be even more important over the next few years.

    Steve

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  12. Don ShepherdNo Gravatar (44 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @11:16 pm

    Taxes? we were supposed to pay taxes? nobody told me.

    ok, i’ll pay attention now.

    Don Shepherd
    oregon or bust

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  13. mark mallenNo Gravatar (35 comments)  •  Apr 13, 2009 @11:47 pm

    Rob, Excellent description of the difference between an LLC and S corp. Mark

    Marketingscoops

    Glacier

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  14. Pat BeckerNo Gravatar (40 comments)  •  Apr 14, 2009 @12:15 am

    You lay out the pros and cons of LLC and S Corp very clearly. Makes it easier to make a decision when all the facts are in front of me.

    -Pat
    Business Owners Fast Track to Internet Profits

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  15. Darryl PaceNo Gravatar (66 comments)  •  Apr 14, 2009 @12:27 am

    Thanks for this info, Rob. Your CYA program is very intriguing.

    Health, Fitness — Darryl Pace

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  16. Lisa McLellanNo Gravatar (90 comments)  •  Apr 14, 2009 @1:33 pm

    I wonder why my husband always chooses to do an LLC. I’ll have to ask him. His degree is in business, so I assume he knows about the S corp. Maybe it has something to do with Massachusetts taxes. Thanks for the info.

    Lisa McLellan, Child Care Expert – Babysitters, Nannies, and Au-pairs

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  17. April BraswellNo Gravatar (73 comments)  •  Apr 14, 2009 @4:00 pm

    I appreciate that even though you are not a tax attorney or cpa providing that expert advise that you provide your street smarts business owner perspective. That is so helpful indeed for small and medium size business owners such as myself.

    All the best,

    April Braswell

    Dating Expert and Online Dating Coach

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  18. PettNo Gravatar (1 comments)  •  Apr 15, 2009 @5:34 am

    Hi,
    Thank you! I would now go on this blog every day!

    Thank you
    Pett

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  19. David PowerNo Gravatar (42 comments)  •  Apr 19, 2009 @7:33 pm
  20. BarkriNo Gravatar (1 comments)  •  Apr 28, 2009 @2:27 am

    Business owners form business entities, such as limited liability companies and corporations to protect their personal assets from business debts and obligations. Usually, the owner’s risk is limited to the amount invested.

    However, you can get into trouble with your entity and business liabilities can become your personal liabilities if you don’t follow certain rules with your corporation or LLC.

    First, whenever you’re doing business it must always be in the exact corporation or LLC name. If you’re in business as Acme Industrial Enzymes Corporation, that exact name should appear on all of the company’s checks, contracts, invoices and employee business cards.

    Never use a shortened name, such as AIE Corp., or any other name unless you’ve filed a fictitious name registration with the state identifying that the name is owned by Acme Industrial Enzymes Corporation (and not the Acme shareholders). And, even then, the full name should still appear on all business documents. Also, make sure the fictitious name is actually owned by the entity and not its owners.

    http://www.clickandinc.com/

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  21. Ramrao Naidu (1 comments)  •  Jan 29, 2010 @3:15 pm

    I am looking for Tax materials with lots of practical examples on S Corporations and
    LLCs. Please advise – Thanks

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